09-04-2025

Ada Ozdogan on Holly Goosebumps
Maker bij het Zuidelijk Toneel Ada Ozdogan staat voor een warme, goudbruine achtergrond. Ze heeft lang donker haar, draagt een zwarte blouse met daaronder een gestreepte top en een hanger om haar nek. Ze glimlacht zacht met gesloten ogen, alsof ze een rustig moment beleeft.

Over the next four years, Het Zuidelijk Toneel will be working with a permanent group of idiosyncratic creators: from established names to brand-new talent. Each and every one of them is idiosyncratic, untamed, and anything but run-of-the-mill. And they wholeheartedly embrace our love of fiction, ensemble spirit, and radically sustainable choices. Under the leadership of artistic director Sarah Moeremans and with resident dramaturg Joachim Robbrecht as her sharp sidekick, they create theater that delightfully colors outside the lines. In this section, you will get to know them through their performances. Who are they, what do they create, and why?

We kick off this section with a conversation with Ada Ozdogan. At Het Zuidelijk Toneel, she created Holly Goosebumps earlier this year. The show premiered on March 14 at Theater De Nieuwe Vorst in Tilburg. This ‘epic blockbuster on stage’ was immediately embraced by the press and public: several national newspapers awarded Holly Goosebumps four stars, and both NRC and de Volkskrant proclaimed the play ‘one of the best performances of the moment’.

Hey Ada, how can you recognize a performance by Ada Ozdogan?

“My performances are always cinematic, sound driven, epic, absurd, colorful, humorous, lots of bullshit, pop culture, film references, and background stories.”

Tell us more about Holly Goosebumps: where did you find your inspiration for this performance?

"The creative process for this production unfolded in several phases. It began with a practical starting point. Since the new arts plan came into effect, Het Zuidelijk Toneel has been working according to the guidelines of the Theatre Green Book, which focuses on sustainable theater production. For the 2024/2025 season, the starting point was immaterial design, using as few physical resources as possible. That inspired and stimulated me to create a performance in which sound plays a central role: it directs, manipulates, decorates, and helps tell the story as an extra character.

I am also a huge fan of film, particularly the way music enhances the narrative in a film. What struck me about classic Hollywood films is that they are almost constantly accompanied by underscores; moments of silence are rare. This seems to be a remnant of the silent film era, when music was essential to bring the story to life in the absence of spoken dialogue. This observation made me aware that the medium of film has mastered the sublime combination of image and sound. I wanted to learn from this and apply it in theater."

Julia Ghysels in een leren jas en witte helm staat vooraan terwijl Alicia Boedhoe en Gillis Biesheuvel in kostuums met een stok in de hand in de mist achter haar verschijnen.
Holly Goosebumps
You created an entirely new mythology for this performance, built from existing stories. What attracts you to working with fiction and mythological elements?

"In the next phase, I realized that I wanted to find a story that matched this auditory concept in terms of content. I soon developed a desire to create an epic, layered narrative in which sound is not supportive but decisive. I played with the idea of creating a new mythology: an original narrative constructed from fragments of existing myths—compressed into a pulp fiction in which different traditions and references come together in a unifying way.

An important goal in my work is to develop layered female roles. Not one-dimensional characters, but complex women who doubt, attack, deceive, are ugly, and—despite their intelligence—make stupid, human mistakes. I found this layering difficult to achieve within Greek mythology, where female figures are often limited to stereotypes. So I broadened my search and found the demonic goddess Lamastu in Mesopotamian mythology—an intriguing character who is both destructive and protective and full of contradictory intentions. Lamastu became the starting point for my new mythology: an epic world in which sound, complex female characters, and moral ambiguity come together on stage."

Soundtracks are a central theme in the performance. How are they used during the performance?

"The soundtracks are used in various ways within the performance. In one scene, we use music to express the inner world of the main character, Holly. Where text would normally fulfill this role, we have deliberately chosen music as a means of expression. In another scene, the soundtrack serves to build tension: the music suggests an impending threat, even before it becomes apparent in the text or action.

What we found intriguing during the creative process was how the relationship between the actors and the music differs each time. In the first example, the actors color along with the music, making their performance an extension of the soundtrack. In the second case, they play against the music, which creates an exciting friction. This is a fundamental difference from film, where music is only added during the editing phase and actors have no direct interaction with the music during the performance. The actors therefore have to be very conscious of what the music is doing and how they can maneuver between it with their acting, or allow themselves to be carried along by the flow of the music."

Louis van der Waal spreekt met bebloede handen naar het publiek terwijl een andere performer in een donker pak met zonnebril stil op de achtergrond staat.
Holly Goosebumps
What gives you goosebumps? What is your all-time favorite soundtrack?

"When I participate in a demonstration or March, such as for Free Palestine, or against fascism, racism, and discrimination—and stand on Dam Square with thousands of like-minded people, I immediately feel a wave of emotion. Tears in my eyes, goosebumps all over my body. At a time when individualism and the disintegration of communities are so palpable, I experience a deep sense of connection, warmth, and collective strength.

One of my favorite soundtracks is that of Le Mépris, the film by Jean-Luc Godard. I love the melancholic pathos in the music, which contrasts and harmonizes wonderfully with the monumental Mediterranean images and the subdued, almost aloof acting of the actors. That layering touches me again and again."

Thanks, Ada, we are already looking forward to your next performance that you will create with us!
Holly Goosebumps is still available to see until May 16 in theaters throughout the Netherlands.